Monday 12 October 2009

Grammar: Third Conditional (Add-ons)


After a few days since the previous posting, I am glad to receive two comments from C and Phy. Now, let's discuss what is actually hiding inside these two sentence. First of all, according to Phy's thinking, it COULD really be your case because Paul kind of regretted getting a divorce, the reason COULD really be that he didn't consider his wife as a good wife until he knew Susie. However, you are looking at the two sentences separately to come to this conclusion, which should not be the case. There must be some relationship between the sentences.

First of all, Susie sounded quite desperate, don't you agree? "If I had known you earlier, I would have dated you and then married you." What kind of a person will say such a thing in front of a man? Don't you think that is too direct?

Now, if you were Paul, you either loved it or hated it from his reply.

Could it be "loved it"? If so, then that means, "If I had known you earlier, I wouldn't have divorced with my wife" is positive in meaning because he wants to thank her, which means, "If I had known you earlier" is good, which further means, that "I wouldn't have divorced with my wife" is good.

So far, do you understand? If not, here is a simplified version:
Susie really wanted to marry Paul and Paul regretted having a divorce with his wife.

Now, how is making any sense? Doesn't sound reasonable right? And it doesn't sound like he is replying to her.

But if you think of it this way, if Paul "hated it", then everything will be solved.

First, Susie is so desperate, and she scared Paul a lot, and because of this, Paul compared his ex-wife with Susie and found his ex-wife much better, then he felt regret for getting a divorce with his wife. So instead of Susie letting Paul know what love is, she let him understand how much better off he was with his ex-wife. So if he had known Susie earlier (knowing that she was so desperate and ugly, etc.), he wouldn't have divorced with his wife (because his ex-wife was so much better).

Mystery solved.

To strengthen your concept, here is another reasoning game (maybe simpler).

Question time:
1) If I had left home earlier, I would have caught the first bus.
2) If I had left home earlier, I wouldn't have caught the first bus.
3) If I hadn't left home earlier, I would have caught the first bus.
4) If I hadn't left home earlier, I wouldn't have caught the first bus.

What does each sentence mean and what could be the cause and result of each?
Which ones have the same meaning, if any?

Results will be posted on Wednesday. Try your concept!

4 comments:

  1. I dunno how to explain the sentence mean, the cause and result of each as weel.

    However, I think (1) and (4) have the same meaning.

    Hope you can post the results on time. Today is Wednesday. :)

    Cheers
    C

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  2. I don't think they are simple, in fact, I have to write down in Chinese but the meaning still seems not make sense. I just try :

    1) Regret leaving home late, so he/she didn't catch the first bus

    2) As leaving home late, so he/she caught the first bus (maybe he/she wanted to take another bus)

    3) Regret leaving home early, so he/she could not get the first bus.

    4) As leaving home early, he/she caught the first bus

    Obviously, I cannot find out the same meaning of the sentences.

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  3. I agree with Phy.
    But for 2) I think she/he still could not catch the first bus if she/he had left home earlier.

    Thanks,
    Mei

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  4. In my opinion, we can infer the followings from the sentences:
    1)
    Cause: left home late
    Result: didn't catch the first bus
    Implication: the writer wants to catch the first bus
    Possible reason: so he wouldn't have been late to work and blamed by his boss
    2)
    Cause: left home late
    Result: caught the first bus
    Implication: the writer doesn't want to catch the first bus
    Possible reason: saw someone he hates on the first bus or injured in road accident when he was travelling on the first bus. If he had left home earlier, he would have walked to his office instead.
    3)
    Cause: left home early
    Result: didn't catch the first bus
    Implication: the writer wants to catch the first bus
    Possible reason: same as sentence (1)
    4)
    Cause: left home early
    Result: caught the first bus
    Implication: the writer doesn't want to catch the first bus
    Possible reason: same as sentence (2)

    From the above inference, we can conclude that the meaning of:
    sentence (1) = (3)
    sentence (2) = (4)

    Regards,
    Gladys

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